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Post by Premier Edition on Jun 13, 2005 3:02:30 GMT -5
First off, Wolfchild. You probably need to pay closer attention to what is being posted, before accusing other posters of being ignorant. I never asked for a flawless system! My point was that, because the system is flawless, death is to high a price to pay.
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One innocent life, would be one to many. And note this! Thousands are still being murdered, although executions are being carried out. And I hope, no one you love, is ever unjustly put to death, to promote some ridiculous idea that it would deter murders. By the way Wolfchild, congradulations on making Lieutenant!
And of course, let us not forget Lightfoot. Once again, the only thing you have proven is that you know how to read. It is not the word I have a problem with. It is peoples interpretation, and or use of it. They will pick and choose the parts they like, to thump at someone else. But ignore the parts they don’t like, so they can justify how they treat others. Or even how they treat their own bodies. But, if you follow every rule in that book. Then by all means, thump it at me. But if you do not. Then your thumps, carry no weight. “You have to have faith for that to work, remember”! From the movie, Fright Night.
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Post by Big Foot on Jun 13, 2005 8:06:31 GMT -5
FIRST OF ALL. THE STATISTICS. WAIT A SCOND, LET ME GO A LITTLE SLOWER HERE, SO YOU MIGHT CAN READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M WRITING HERE WITHOUT ANY CONFUSION. I WILL PRESS THE KEY BOARD WITH ONE FINGER AT A TIME. I WATCH THE NEWS ALL THE TIME ON T.V.. I SEE THE AWFUL CRIME THAT IS COMMITTED AGINST MAN BY HIS FELLOW MAN. BUT STOP AND THINK! IF THERE WAS NO FORM OF DETERRENT AT ALL, HOW MUCH WORST DO YOU THINK THINGS WOULD BE, IF THERE WAS NO CAPITAL PUNISHMENT FOR MURDER. SOME WILL NOT BLINK AT LIFE IN PRISON FOR MURDER, BUT SOME WILL THINK TWICE IF IT INVOLES THE POSSIBILITY OF THEIR OWN EXTINCTION ! HOW MANY LIVES DO YOU CONSIDER WORTH LIVING OVER A MURDER'S LIFE? BY CAREFULLY WATCHING THE NEWS AND LOOKING AT LIFE ITSELF, I HAVE CONCLUDED AND BEFORE YOU SAY HA,HA I GOT HIM THERE, I WILL NOW ADMIT THAT THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS TWO-PART. PART MY OPINION AND PART STATISTIC, BUT I HAVE CONCLUDED BY THE ABOVE MENTIONED THAT IF IT WASNT FOR THE DEATH PENALTY, THEN THERE WOULD BE MORE MURDERS THEN THEY ARE NOW. SO GET-ER-DONE ! KILL THE MURDERING NO ACCOUNT EXCUSES FOR HUMAN BEINGS ! I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW. CANT WAIT FOR YOUR REPLY, SO HURRY IT UP. LOL. ;D. AT THIS TIME I HAVE TO GO BACK AND EDIT A POST I HAD JUST WRITTEN EARLIER. P.S. STILL SOME INNOCENTS WILL BE WRONGFULLY ACCUSED, BUT IT WAS WRITTEN EARLIER BY ANOTHER DEBATER, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IN THIS UNPERFECT WORLD CAN NOT BE ADVOIED. IT IS REGREATFUL BUT TRUE. OH YEAH, BEFORE I END THIS SHORT COMMENT ;D IWOULD LIKE TO SAY MR. PREMIER, YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING I AM A HYPOCRITE BY QUOTING SOME BIBLE ANE NOT BY LIVING UP TO MOST OF IT. HOWEVER, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF IT BEING SAID THAT THIS ONE OR THAT ONE HAS UNKNOWLING GAVE A WITNESS, NOT BY HIS ACTION, BUT BY HIS WORDS?
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Post by Premier Edition on Jun 13, 2005 9:08:03 GMT -5
First of all, STOP YELLING. When you type in all caps. it is referred to as yelling. Secondly, You are proving my point. Capital punishment is not a deterrent. Murders are not concerned with what happens to them once they are caught. No one wants to spend time in prison. They think that they want get caught because they are smarter then everyone. Or that they are justified in what they are doing. But they are not worried about being put to death. That would mean that they somehow put a value on human life. Killers don’t value human life. Not even their own. For many years we did not have capital punishment. So tell me my friend, why did the murder rate go up after it was brought back? Just stop typing, and start thinking. Just kidding, I enjoy working out on you.
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Post by Big Foot on Jun 21, 2005 8:37:22 GMT -5
Get all the work out that you can, because these debates are just getting started good ! You will need all the strength that you can mustard up, just to keep up ! Mr. Priemier, the murder rate did not go up just because the death penalty was reinstalled. All crime has slightly risen for the simple fact that the times have changed. {Quote}-" And they will become unruly and ungodly, having no natural affections." This is to occur near the end times. God allows man with it's government to set laws. That is also why it is said to follow God's law, man's law. and nature's law. Yes I just refereed to the bible again. Not that I live souly by the word like I should, but the word is still the word and it is a mighty sword !
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Post by Premier Edition on Jun 22, 2005 18:55:20 GMT -5
I did not come here, to here the opinion, of the authors of the Bible. I came here to here yours. Do you have one, or not? But back to the issue. If it does not deter. What purpose does it serve? Other than revenge.
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Post by Big Foot on Jun 23, 2005 6:49:03 GMT -5
I tell you what, Here is a opinion of mine. If you don't believe in the death penalty, then you go to death row in all the prisons and you take them home and feed them and cloth them the rest of their living days ! I souly believe that the death penalty dose stop some from committing murder. One life spared is a great achievement. If it stopped someone from being murdered, because the murderer feared the death penalty.
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Post by Premier Edition on Jun 23, 2005 16:25:20 GMT -5
You may believe that the death penalty prevents murder. But the evidence does not support this. Most states now have the death penalty. Have the killings stopped in any of those states? How can you say, that killing someone may save a life? Sounds like an oxymoron to me. Just for your info. Not all prisons have a death row. But most states do. But here is the mistake that a lot of you make. You think that because, I am against the death penalty, that I am soft on crime. Nothing could be further from the truth. You want to slow down or even stop the murders? Then tie the convicts on a post. Whip the crap out of them, every year, on the date, they committed the murder. And broad cast it Live! That would give murders something to think about. At least that way if the court discovers a mistake has been made, amends could be made. Kind of hard to take back that lethal ejection thing, right? Or is it, that what we are really after, is revenge, and just giving lip service, to preventing it? Of course now you are going to say that that would be cruel and unusual punishment. LMAO. As long as we are willing to kill, but not punish, in my opinion, there will be no deterrence.
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Post by Big Foot on Jun 26, 2005 15:50:11 GMT -5
Answer me this Mr. Edition. Why did years ago, all the states had the death penalty, or at least until the bleeding hearts started to oppose it, causing alot of the staes to do away with it, until the early 80's when they slowly state by state started to use the death penalty agian? I feel that the death penalty is what shouldf be. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth!!!!!!
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Post by Premier Edition on Jun 29, 2005 16:26:49 GMT -5
Because the states work for the people who elect them. The people want revenge. Unless it is thier daughter or son going to death row. The states have not solved our criminal justice system problems. Why on earth do you think the state is always right. I guess you think that the supreme court was perfectly right in saying, that a mans property, can be taken away, to make way for private industry. But that is another debate. How about it LWR?
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Post by Big Foot on Jun 29, 2005 18:51:21 GMT -5
Mr. Premier, You are so right the majority vote. Also it is not revenge to want justice to be served. It is the people's right !
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Post by Premier Edition on Jun 30, 2005 6:31:56 GMT -5
It is revenge. Call it justice. “A rose my any other name”. So don’t give lip service to solving and preventing these crimes. if justice is all that you seek. And you still think it is by a majority vote, LMAO.
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Post by Big Foot on Jun 30, 2005 13:14:23 GMT -5
Mr. Premier, If you have such a problem with our justice system, then do something about it ! Take your complaints to the public that were elected to serve it's people and seek a resolution. I doubt that you will get very far, because it is my opinion that the public seeks no more then justice !
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Post by Premier Edition on Jul 1, 2005 8:24:59 GMT -5
And this is why the criminals will prevail and the crime rate will continue to climb. Oh, and the problem I have with our justice system, albeit the best in the world. Is that I know it could be better.
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Post by Big Foot on Jul 1, 2005 9:44:56 GMT -5
Well kiss my grits Mr. Premier, Why didn't you simply say that in the first place. Everything and all things in this world good stand for some improvements ! ;D
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Post by Premier Edition on Jul 2, 2005 8:10:26 GMT -5
Kiss your own grits! I recognize that flaws exist in the system. Which is why I am against the death penalty. I am sure as hell not against treating the convicts how they deserve to be treated. But seeing as how you are not really interested in solving the problem, just keep kissing the states but. Because if the state says that it is OK, then it must be OK, right?
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